Joey Baer, Concerns and Recommendations

by webmaster on Sep.14, 2009, under Politics

This is my expression to Tayler about my concerns. I have made some recommendations.

I do not accept any unproductive or offensive comment.

5 Comments for this entry

deafk
September 14th, 2009 on 9:50 pm
Oh, no video comment? I was going to express….

Geez..

I just checked your video in DeafVIDEO.TV. None?

Okay, Joey Baer was the reason I joined the DeafRead. Funny thing, normally I do not check DeafRead, but somehow it led me to your vlog! My heart goes to Joey Baer. I miss him. I felt a little betrayed by Tayler somehow, too. That drove me to go into a different direction. I guess I was not comfortable with the angers and hassles…. I felt bad when one or another got hurt from people who gave them hard times. I was surprised a few days ago that Ella Mae Lentz decided to walk away from DeafVIDEO.TV. I was going back to DeafVIDEO.TV, and then found out a lot of vloggers walking out. Eek.. What am I going to do now? Back off for now, yeah.

Deaf Chip, yes, thanks for showing Joey Baer’s clips. Joey is always very good at describing anything, including Deafread.

I wanted to show you “ILY” sign. Guess this would do. ~ILY~

deafk aka Kathleen Kinnee
Dianrez
September 14th, 2009 on 10:06 pm
Thanks, Deafchip, your suggestions are excellent but maybe impossible to apply.

I agree about banning people who bully, harass, etc., from Deafvideo.tv, but the guidelines are not always clear every time, or easily caught and enforced when there are hundreds of postings every day. Also, what is offensive to one person may not seem that way to another.

When it comes to deciding when a line is crossed, it takes the wisdom of God to take action. Even then, there will be people that disagree with the ban and who scream that an editor is “playing God”. Can’t win.

Maybe the way is to have a membership-only video aggregator. That is, people contribute as members only, but it is visible to everyone, like panel discussions on TV. To be a member one must agree to a narrower set of guidelines than is now posted at DVTV.

Basically, it would be: only positive, useful, nonpersonal remarks, raising new ideas, attacking only issues and not people, no reposting of another’s videos or communications without permission, etc. Responses would also be by members only and the same guidelines would apply.

Questions and remarks from nonmembers could be sent to the owner of each video blog and that person could respond or give it to another member to respond, personally screening to be sure that it meets guidelines. This would reduce the burden on the DVTV editors and allow them to focus on management, not censorship.

The difference between posting on a membership site and posting on YouTube is that membership makes it safer, something we can be proud of and recommend to other deaf people as exemplars of a good community.

This would not be censorship, since people still can post to YouTube or other sites. It might be called “elitism” except that the guidelines would not be specific to any one group, modality or philosophy, and apply to all members.

Blocking does not accomplish much because the offensive person may not receive information that he is being blocked. Thus the offensive behavior continues and attracts more offensive behavior.
Jean Boutcher
September 14th, 2009 on 11:25 pm
I have been an administrator of four root lists on the Internet since 1999 as well as a member of DeafRead since 2006. So I have seen people of all walks of life and realised that there is an enormous difference between hearing people and deaf people on the Internet. In some forums or lists, commenters are respected by bloggers for attacking an idea. Very matter-of-factly, bloggers, indeed, do relish their ideas of being challenged WHEREAS in DeafRead and DVTV, it is the other way around, ALAS.

For example, a deaf commennter can discern in a post the essence of an intent of a blog and duly discusses an idea or duly attacks an idea of the post of the blogger. That is healthy. Most unfortunately, the bloggers’ pride is so wounded an awful lot that, in turn, the blogger attacks the commenter in a twisted manner most unimaginable ever. The blogger, who is intellectually dishonest, is protected by his/her intellectually DISHONEST friends against the intellectually honest commenter. They are rudey awakened that the commenter is right.

I very highly value ideas contributed by bloggers and commenters. Unfortunately, the former cannot tolerate that their ideas are attacked. They should be grateful for their iodeas being attacked, so they can learn something from commenters. But they choose to be a “quitter” instead of
statying and learning more from commenters who attack IDEAS.
Intellectually honest commenters do NOT atrtack people but
IDEAS.

David, do not follow the quitters. Stay. You and commenters learn from one another and improve the deaf community.
Memorize that forever, David.

Jean Boutcher

Down the road, readers who initially did not know which commenter or blogger was right will eventually come into full realisation that the blogger attacked

n idea or attack an idea. Other people
Nick Vera
September 15th, 2009 on 6:14 am
Hi David,

I agreed what you and Joey expressed the great concern for the safe environment here at DVTV/DeafRead. It is imperative to respect each other in spite of agree/disagree with understanding of health discussion such as diplomatically communication. I knew everyone have entitled to express opinion, unnecessary to cyberbullying, namecalling, etc. It is time to STOP the actions against each other.

The famous quote you may have heard often, “THY NEIGHBOR LOVE”. I am not sure I made the correct quote.

Respectfully thank you for your great effort to share with us.

Peace and Justice for all of us on earth!

Nick
Dianne K
October 10th, 2009 on 9:00 am
Hi David,
My heart breaks that these fabulous deaf people like Joey Baer went silent, and no longer be “spokesperson” of deaf community. I admire him greatly, and he was the one who got me very interested in the first place. It is a terrible loss, really. Is there any way to reach them and let them know that their “voice” is invaluable to us. I agree totally with you about keeping them safe from bullying, harassment, etc. Thank you for raising the concerns and bringing the suggestions to keep safe.
Dianne K